A quad from a GP winner returned at Trophee Eric Bompard. Takahiko Kozuka did a quad but there was a two foot landing so he got negative GOE on it-getting less than the base value.
Short Program Quads
3rd place Brandon Mroz. Quad toe loop triple toe loop combo worth 14.40 Mroz because of negatie GOE got 13.40.
4th Place making his senior GP debut was Chafik Besseghier did a perfect text book quad triple and his was worth 15.11!
5th place was Brian Joubert who underrotated his quad attempt and then added a single toe loop. He got all -3 from judges in GOE and the point value ended up being 4.60. He would withdraw from the free skate and this was the second time he underotated a quad.
7th place - Kevin Reynolds opened with a flawed quad salchow triple toe loop combo that got him 10.36 points which was under the base value of 11.50. He attempted a quad toe loop but underrotated it and fell so that was worth 4.20 points with the fall really 3.20.
Free Skate
1st place Takahiko Kozuka got 9.01 points for his slightly two footed quad toe loop attempt.
3rd place Brandon Mroz 10.16 for his quad toe loop. Better than Kozuka's as they are worth 10.30.
4th place Kevin reynolds. Quad Salchow BV 10.50 Reynolds got 11.o7 with plus GOE. His quad toe loop was again underrotated and he fell so 4.20 again.
7th place Chafik Besseghier tried a quad triple I think but singled the quad so that single toe loop was worth. .24 points. Ouch!
8th place Peter Liebers opened with a triple toe loop which I thought was supposed to be a quad but maybe it's not. This would be the 3rd or 4th time he tripled a quad attempt and I don't think that's likely. I think his plan is to open with a easy triple toe and get good GOE on it. It was worth 5.10 points.
http://www.isuresults.com/results/gpfra2010/gpfra10_Men_FS_Scores.pdf
Medal winners
1. Kozuka
2. Amodio
3. Mroz
Saturday, November 27, 2010
Saturday, November 20, 2010
Cup Of Russia
Lots of great quads in the short program but by the free skate there was not one good one! Not from one person!
Short Programs
In the Mens skate Patrick Chan did a great quad toe loop - triple toe loop which got big GOE points. 14.40 plus 1.86 for a total of 16.26. Great accomplishment for him! It is like he was doing quad triples his whole career. Then he fell on a triple axel. Hope he puts them together soon.
Artur Gachinski did a quad toe loop + double toe loop. 11.70 + .43 = 12.13
Konstantin Menshov also did a quad-double and he scored 12.41 so better than Gachinski but he then doubled a triple loop.
Free Skate
Free Skate was a disaster for people who tried quads! They all failed
Chan underrotated and fell getting him 4.20 points but with the fall was really like 3.20
Abbott underrotated and fell getting the same score as Chan.
Preubert underrotated and fell!
Hanyu tripled it
Gachinski doubled it.
Machida underrotated but did not fall so got 5.06
Javier Fernandez did it but then fell. Some judges didn't give him -3 in GOE just -2 because he did land it for a second so 7.73 points
Konstantin Menshov had two planned but tripled one and doubled another.
It was just terrible. And that doesn't even factor in winner Tomas Verner who did them most of his career but doesn't do them anymore. But unlike Skate America a medal winner did do one at least so congrats to Patrick Chan who is now the standard bearer for quads! Didn't that would ever be written by anyone! LOL!
Short Programs
In the Mens skate Patrick Chan did a great quad toe loop - triple toe loop which got big GOE points. 14.40 plus 1.86 for a total of 16.26. Great accomplishment for him! It is like he was doing quad triples his whole career. Then he fell on a triple axel. Hope he puts them together soon.
Artur Gachinski did a quad toe loop + double toe loop. 11.70 + .43 = 12.13
Konstantin Menshov also did a quad-double and he scored 12.41 so better than Gachinski but he then doubled a triple loop.
Free Skate
Free Skate was a disaster for people who tried quads! They all failed
Chan underrotated and fell getting him 4.20 points but with the fall was really like 3.20
Abbott underrotated and fell getting the same score as Chan.
Preubert underrotated and fell!
Hanyu tripled it
Gachinski doubled it.
Machida underrotated but did not fall so got 5.06
Javier Fernandez did it but then fell. Some judges didn't give him -3 in GOE just -2 because he did land it for a second so 7.73 points
Konstantin Menshov had two planned but tripled one and doubled another.
It was just terrible. And that doesn't even factor in winner Tomas Verner who did them most of his career but doesn't do them anymore. But unlike Skate America a medal winner did do one at least so congrats to Patrick Chan who is now the standard bearer for quads! Didn't that would ever be written by anyone! LOL!
Sunday, November 14, 2010
Skate America- Congrats Sui/Han!
The pairs team from China did a flawed quad throw salchow but showed they had the stamina and ability to do one consistently from competition to competition. Wish the men had that. Of course the quad trend would end at Skate America-home of the quadless Olympic Champ.
No quads in the short from any man.
2 quads in the long by Kevin Van Der Perren and Adrian Schultheiss.
Not doing or completing planned quads were Oda and Takahashi or Stephen Carriere.
Pairs - with medal winners who did a quad
4STh-Quad throw salchow BV 8.00 - 1.57 GOE total 6.43
Worst comp of the season for men
No quads in the short from any man.
2 quads in the long by Kevin Van Der Perren and Adrian Schultheiss.
Not doing or completing planned quads were Oda and Takahashi or Stephen Carriere.
Pairs - with medal winners who did a quad
4STh-Quad throw salchow BV 8.00 - 1.57 GOE total 6.43
Men
http://www.isuresults.com/results/gpusa2010/gpusa10_Men_FS_Scores.pdf
Takahashi bailed did a triple which was overrotated
Oda-7.30 with fall
Van Der Perren Quad toe loop 10.30 + .14=10.44
Carriere Downgraded to triple point value so 2.00 was recieved
Schultheiss 9th place best quad worth 11.30 pointsWorst comp of the season for men
Saturday, November 6, 2010
Cup Of China
Third Grand Prix event and third mens winner who did a quad. Also in pairs Sui/Han did a quad throw salchow. Sui messed up on the landing a little but that quad throw was well done and no doubt about her doing four revolutions!
Takhito Kozuka did one in his free skate that with negative GOE was worth 9.30 points. Even with the negative GOE it might have been one of his best quads ever. Brandon Mroz was the surprise silver medalist mostly due to his quad and other jumps. Bronze went to now quadless Tomas Verner who is not going to be doing the jump to gain consistency. The root of his problems last season was apparently the quad was using too much of his energy and focus? Only thing I can think of.
Short program
2-Brian Joubert 4t+3t
4-Brandon Mroz 4t+3t
5-Sergei Voronov 4t+1t
8-Jinlin Guan 4t
Long Program
1-Takahito Kazuka
2-Brandon Mroz
5-Brian Joubert 4t< - He slightly underrotated his one official quad. Think he also attempted a quad salchow but tripled it.
6-Tatsuki Machida -4T fell -7.30
7-Jinlin Guan-4T fell -7.30
Voronov had to withdraw because he hurt himself on his opening quad and so did not finish his free skate. Best showing still goes to Artur Gachinski.
Sui/Han quad throw salchow was worth 6.71 though the bv is 8 points. They came in second nearly beating Pang/Tong who were off. Well Pang was off with her jumps.
Takhito Kozuka did one in his free skate that with negative GOE was worth 9.30 points. Even with the negative GOE it might have been one of his best quads ever. Brandon Mroz was the surprise silver medalist mostly due to his quad and other jumps. Bronze went to now quadless Tomas Verner who is not going to be doing the jump to gain consistency. The root of his problems last season was apparently the quad was using too much of his energy and focus? Only thing I can think of.
Short program
2-Brian Joubert 4t+3t
4-Brandon Mroz 4t+3t
5-Sergei Voronov 4t+1t
8-Jinlin Guan 4t
Long Program
1-Takahito Kazuka
2-Brandon Mroz
5-Brian Joubert 4t< - He slightly underrotated his one official quad. Think he also attempted a quad salchow but tripled it.
6-Tatsuki Machida -4T fell -7.30
7-Jinlin Guan-4T fell -7.30
Voronov had to withdraw because he hurt himself on his opening quad and so did not finish his free skate. Best showing still goes to Artur Gachinski.
Sui/Han quad throw salchow was worth 6.71 though the bv is 8 points. They came in second nearly beating Pang/Tong who were off. Well Pang was off with her jumps.
Sunday, October 31, 2010
Skate Canada - Quads-Reynolds does 4 Chan does 1
Whoa Kevin Reynolds. Good for him with his short program with a quad salchow and quad toe. Then his free skate with another quad sal and quad toe.
Patrick Chan who liked to fight with Joubert and Plushenko about quads being unnecessary joined the "quad club" when he did one in his free skate at Skate Canada. Oda the silver medalist also did a quad after not doing one all last season in a possible attempt to skate cleanly to make him look better for the Olympics.
I want to get right to the numbers themselves!
Short Program
Kevin Reynolds
4S+3T BV 14.60 GOE was plus .71 total was 15.31
4T BV 10.30 GOE + .71 again! total 11.01- was worth more than that!!
Patrick Chan
Ratified attempt 4T with fall -3.00 GOE total value 7.30. I don't have any problems with four revolutions in the air being worth 7.30 points. That is a skill that many can't even do. Like the 2010 Olympic champion.
Artur Gachinski coached by Alexei Mishin did a quad but landed poorly so couldn't do a combo. So his 10.30 got reduced by 3.00 in GOE so down to 7.30. Unfortunate mistake.
FREE SKATE
Patrick Chan 4t worth 12.30 to judges. Just base value to me.
Nobunari Oda got base value. no GOE. one judge went -1 another went +1 10.30
Javier Fernandez did the best one no doubt! He deserved the GOE he got. 12.01 - should have gotten Chan's GOE
Kevin Reynolds- 4s + 3t then 4T
Artur Gachinski 4t worth 9.30 because of negative GOE
Rippon won bronze without trying any quads-quads not part of his strategy which is backloading triples "quadless backloading" I call it.
No doubt the rule changes after 2010 caused this quad comeback. Buttle and Lysacek with their world championships and Lysacek's gold medal without a quad was severe jump regression that would no doubt damage the sport of figure skating as ultraconservatism is not good for sports!
Patrick Chan who liked to fight with Joubert and Plushenko about quads being unnecessary joined the "quad club" when he did one in his free skate at Skate Canada. Oda the silver medalist also did a quad after not doing one all last season in a possible attempt to skate cleanly to make him look better for the Olympics.
I want to get right to the numbers themselves!
Short Program
Kevin Reynolds
4S+3T BV 14.60 GOE was plus .71 total was 15.31
4T BV 10.30 GOE + .71 again! total 11.01- was worth more than that!!
Patrick Chan
Ratified attempt 4T with fall -3.00 GOE total value 7.30. I don't have any problems with four revolutions in the air being worth 7.30 points. That is a skill that many can't even do. Like the 2010 Olympic champion.
Artur Gachinski coached by Alexei Mishin did a quad but landed poorly so couldn't do a combo. So his 10.30 got reduced by 3.00 in GOE so down to 7.30. Unfortunate mistake.
FREE SKATE
Patrick Chan 4t worth 12.30 to judges. Just base value to me.
Nobunari Oda got base value. no GOE. one judge went -1 another went +1 10.30
Javier Fernandez did the best one no doubt! He deserved the GOE he got. 12.01 - should have gotten Chan's GOE
Kevin Reynolds- 4s + 3t then 4T
Artur Gachinski 4t worth 9.30 because of negative GOE
Rippon won bronze without trying any quads-quads not part of his strategy which is backloading triples "quadless backloading" I call it.
No doubt the rule changes after 2010 caused this quad comeback. Buttle and Lysacek with their world championships and Lysacek's gold medal without a quad was severe jump regression that would no doubt damage the sport of figure skating as ultraconservatism is not good for sports!
Sunday, October 24, 2010
Takahashi wins NHK trophy
In winning the NHK trophy Takahashi performed his first quad in a ISU competition since 2008! His quad toe loop was worth 10.30 and with positive GOE was worth 11.30. This was a major accomplishmen from Takahashi who fell or underroated all his quads last season. It does show if you want to do a quad you need to do quads.
AFP headline was Takahashi's quad jump wins figure skating opener
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gwmEneotkhY1JNXWNHCSZ0Zt5meg?docId=CNG.885922972c519655a4e5c49f59f7a47e.411
He won for many reasons not just the quad but that was really important.
All the Japanese skaters at the NHK trophy performned quads in their long programs at NHK. It is just the culture of Japanese skating that makes the quad an important element. Worldwide there is not such a culture. Obviously Lysacek won worlds and the Olympics without a quad which many felt was unnacceptable but perfectly fine in the U.S. which doesn't care so much for jump progression and never has.
Here are all the quads performed in the NHK trophy from the short and long programs.
Short Program -just one
Takahito Mura - Japan
4T+3T 14.40 BV with +GOE total was 15.54. He then singled his axel and had a step out from a lutz
Long Program
Daisuke Takahashi 4t. 10.30 to 11.30
Yuzuru Hanyu 10.30 total with GOE 11.59
Kevin Van Der Perrin 10.30 no goe total 10.30 because of the slow entry
Takahito Mura 10.30 with GOE 10.30
Protocols
Short http://www.isuresults.com/results/gpjpn2010/gpjpn10_Men_SP_Scores.pdf
Long http://www.isuresults.com/results/gpjpn2010/gpjpn10_Men_FS_Scores.pdf
AFP headline was Takahashi's quad jump wins figure skating opener
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gwmEneotkhY1JNXWNHCSZ0Zt5meg?docId=CNG.885922972c519655a4e5c49f59f7a47e.411
He won for many reasons not just the quad but that was really important.
All the Japanese skaters at the NHK trophy performned quads in their long programs at NHK. It is just the culture of Japanese skating that makes the quad an important element. Worldwide there is not such a culture. Obviously Lysacek won worlds and the Olympics without a quad which many felt was unnacceptable but perfectly fine in the U.S. which doesn't care so much for jump progression and never has.
Here are all the quads performed in the NHK trophy from the short and long programs.
Short Program -just one
Takahito Mura - Japan
4T+3T 14.40 BV with +GOE total was 15.54. He then singled his axel and had a step out from a lutz
Long Program
Daisuke Takahashi 4t. 10.30 to 11.30
Yuzuru Hanyu 10.30 total with GOE 11.59
Kevin Van Der Perrin 10.30 no goe total 10.30 because of the slow entry
Takahito Mura 10.30 with GOE 10.30
Protocols
Short http://www.isuresults.com/results/gpjpn2010/gpjpn10_Men_SP_Scores.pdf
Long http://www.isuresults.com/results/gpjpn2010/gpjpn10_Men_FS_Scores.pdf
Monday, October 18, 2010
Artur Gachinski wins again in Coupe Internationale de Nice
After winning Finlandia with a program that had a quad in the free skate Gachinski went to Nice and did a quad in his short program and a quad in the long program. His coach is Alexei Mishin and it is beginning to look like Gachinski will have a very good first year in Seniors.
In the short program it was a quad toe triple toe with a base value of 14.40 -because of a three turn in between the quad and triple he got negative goe totaling 1.50 points. The total was 12.90. He placed first with 77.91 points.
Konstantin Menshov did a quad toe double toe combo 11.70 BV plus .75 GOE for a total 12.45. He placed second with 73.23 points in the short.
Free Skate
Gachinski 4T - BV 10.30 +1.25 GOE total 11.55.
Menshov did a quad toe double toe combo and a solo quad.
4t+2t BV 11.70 Final Value 13.70 GOE 2.00
4t 10.30 -1.00 final value 9.30
He finished in second place with his second silver of the season. In previous seasons Menshov would do badly in short programs and have to recover in the long but this season he is having his best short programs ever and after Nebelhorn and now Nice with solid short programs he has won two medals. Whatever changed in his training has basically worked!
Alban Preaubert opened with a 3t-assume quad attempt.
Javier Fernandez fell after doing a fully rotated quad-worth 7.30
Liebers tried -did a 3T as opening jump
Chafik Besseghier 4t+2t bv 11.70 final value with GOE 12.70. His jumps are very impressive.
http://www.nice-baie-des-anges.fr/images/stories/docs-coupe/resultats2010/html/index.htm
In the short program it was a quad toe triple toe with a base value of 14.40 -because of a three turn in between the quad and triple he got negative goe totaling 1.50 points. The total was 12.90. He placed first with 77.91 points.
Konstantin Menshov did a quad toe double toe combo 11.70 BV plus .75 GOE for a total 12.45. He placed second with 73.23 points in the short.
Free Skate
Gachinski 4T - BV 10.30 +1.25 GOE total 11.55.
Menshov did a quad toe double toe combo and a solo quad.
4t+2t BV 11.70 Final Value 13.70 GOE 2.00
4t 10.30 -1.00 final value 9.30
He finished in second place with his second silver of the season. In previous seasons Menshov would do badly in short programs and have to recover in the long but this season he is having his best short programs ever and after Nebelhorn and now Nice with solid short programs he has won two medals. Whatever changed in his training has basically worked!
Alban Preaubert opened with a 3t-assume quad attempt.
Javier Fernandez fell after doing a fully rotated quad-worth 7.30
Liebers tried -did a 3T as opening jump
Chafik Besseghier 4t+2t bv 11.70 final value with GOE 12.70. His jumps are very impressive.
http://www.nice-baie-des-anges.fr/images/stories/docs-coupe/resultats2010/html/index.htm
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