Keegan Messing Junior Grand Prix Czech republic

Messing attempted a quad toe loop at his final junior grand prix event of the season. He fell and it was underrotated but that was an improvement from his downgraded fall at his first JGP event. I think that at the JGP Final which he qualified for he may land it. He will have November and December to train and I think because he is getting closer he may land it there.

First attempt at the Junior Grand Prix of Romanian in Brasov:

4T<< BV 4.10 GOE -2.08 Score 2.00 (factor in -1.00 deduction for falling and it was 1.00)

Second attempt at the JGP Ostrava Czech Rep

4T< BV 7.20 GOE -3.00 Score 4.20 (factor in -1.00 ded for falling and it was 3.20

He finished off the podium in Ostrava but won Romania

This is the path to learning any jump. Doing it in competitions over and over.

http://www.isuresults.com/results/jgpcze2010/

Finlandia Trophhy

Artur Gachinski of Russia - Gold Medal winner succeeded in doing a quad toe loop. Gachinski is a student of Alexei Mishin.

http://www.figureskatingresults.fi/results/1011/FT2010/FT2010_Men_FS_Scores.pdf

4T Base value 10.30 GOE .80 total value 11.10. Out of seven judges 5 gave him +1 GOE.

Nebelhorn Silver medalist Konstantin Menshov of Russia was also at Finlandia and he planned to a quad in the short but did a triple. In the LP he did a quad triple. 14.40 base value with GOE a negative 2 - final value 12.40. He finished in 7th place because of a weak short and the landings of other jumps in the LP were weak.

Japan Open ratified quads and official quad attempts

It was only the Japan open so I am not sure what to make of it but it was scored like an ISU compeition so I might as well include it here. I am sure people will refer to it during the upcoming season.

Quadruple toe loop Base value 10.30. Add to that his positive GOE of 2.14 (so generous!!! - it is the Japan Open after all) and you get 12.44.

After that he was said he was so excited he would pop his planned triple axel to a single axel and "lost" the "men's competition" to Adam Rippon. Rippon was totally flawless with his 8 triple program.

Michal Brezine. Quad Salchow 10.50. Negative GOE 1.57. Final value 8.93

Takahiko Kozuka - quad toe loop, base value 10.30 with fall so negative GOE a 3 and final value 7.30.

http://www.skatingjapan.jp/InterNational/2010-2011/jo/data0105.pdf

Nebelhorn Mens competition quad report

Gold medalitst Tatsuki Machida of Japan performed a quad toe loop in his free skate. The base value was 10.30 and with positive GOE it was worth 10.87.

Silver medalist Konstantin Menshov of Russia performed a quad toe+single toe in his short program which had a base value of 10.70 but with negative GOE of 3 points was worth 7.70 points. I assume all that negative GOE comes from doing a single jump. In the free skate he did a quad toe loop +double toe loop that had a 11.70 base value but with positive GOE of 1.43 was worth 13.13 points.

Bronze medalist Peter Liebers of Germany and fourth place finisher Armin Mahbanoozadeh of the US tried to do quad toes in their free skates but tripled them.

Michal Brezina of the Czech Republic who was the frontrunner to win had trouble with the debut his quad salchow which was doubled in both the short and long programs. Everyone says in practice it is great but maybe nerves got to him.

Sui/Han Chinese pair at Cup of Austria (Jr GP event)

At the Cup of Austria -a part of the Junior Grand Prix season World Junior Champs Wenjing Sui and Comg Han of China coached by Luon Bo (former partner of coach Yao Bin) won silver after their free skate included a throw quad salchow and an attempted quadruple twist. They got negative GOE on the throw quad salchow (because she two footed the landing) but the twist attempt was downgraded.

The throw quad was great aside froom the landing. She obviously got in four rotation and the look of the jump was exactly how it should look in my view.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucvWQvuqLRA

You see Kavaguit and Smirnov of Russia try it all the time but it rarely looks as good as when Sui/Han did it today!

Sui did seem too low to get a full quad twist in.

The Gold Medal winners Stilbova and Klimov have great unison and it is not surprising at all that they won but I think if Sui and Han hadn't both fallen (I guessed Sui looked like she slipped more than fell on a jump) they would have won.

Keegan Messing tries quad toe loop at JR GP event

At the Junior Grand prix in Romania Alaska native Keegan Messing tried a quadruple toe loop in his free skate September 1oth. He fell and it was downgraded. Instead of getting a < for underrotation he got a << which means it was totally downgraded. I did not think I would see a quad attempt at a GP event because usually a triple axel is the ceiling of jump difficulty. So that Messing tried is admirable. Good for him! He won the first Gold for US skaters on the junior grand prix circuit.

The base value was 10.2 but he got only 2 points for the attempt and because of the fall deduction it was really only 1 point for this quad attempt. That hardly seems like enough to do such a big move.

http://www.adn.com/2010/09/11/1450115/messing-claims-first-at-romanian.html

Patrick Chan does quad at liberty

For the first time ever in a competition (even if it wasn't an official ISU competition and basically doesn't count) Patrick Chan did a quad. He did a quad toe loop with positive GOE in his short program at the Liberty competition in Pennsylvania July 16, 2010. This is a big move for him. He wants a quad to add to his almost always level 4 spins and steps and great choreography, interpreatio-basically the PCS marks.

Chan got into fights with Joubert and non-directly with Plushenko I guess-when he said just doing the quad should not matter in winning- a skater needs EVERYTHING-well everything includes the quad and if he added that successfully to ISU competitions than everybody better look out-especially world champion Takahashi.

After he did the quad he fell on his triple axel. This is common when people do quads-they tend to fall on their next jump and that is why you don't see them much in short programs. But practice is the way to get this sorted out.

Last year he was injured and thus couldn't compete really until Skate Canada where he placed sixth. He had to skip Cup of Russia where he would have competed against Plushenko-who did two quads-one in his short and one in his long program. He would then go on to Canadian nationals and then the Olympics and then worlds-all without a quad and having trouble with his triple axel, He won Canadian Nationals, stumbled at the Olympics and then won the World silver. All of this while doing shaky triples but of course getting HUGE HUGE PCS marks.

He should definitely not go the route of doing quads while just doing double axels. When I think of the quad I think of someone who can do all the triples and then progresses to the Quad. The 1998, 2002, 2006 Olympic champions all had quads and triple axels.

He should keep going for it ALL.

http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100717&content_id=12330910&vkey=ice_news